Tragic.

[GP]

I heard a guide on the South Fork of the Snake drowned today or yesterday . His clients,a man and women from Florida made it to shore. Anybody have any details?
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[riverdog]

Sad, try this link for details: http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/End...isRss=true
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[curt69]

They found the body today . 30 miles down steam , another fisherman found him . Please be safe we have lost to many . When I am wearing waders I wear a belt on the outside near the top and it creates a seal so they won't fill up with water and drag me under . Curt G.
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[windriver]

This is a tragic accident. A good reminder why we need to where a wading belt with waders as well as have a life jacket on us.

Windriver
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[sloppyjoe]

Does anybody actually know if he was or wasn't wearing a wading belt? I have only read the posted article, and a link through a local news station, but never saw anywhere that said waders was the problem. I am not trying to start anything, just trying to figure out what happened so we can all know and learn. No matter how this happened it is still a real tragedy and I feel for the people involved.
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[chrome_junky]

channel 8 did say his waders filled up with water. just goes to show you how many people underestamate that river i know i am guilty of it just as much as anybody.
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[duksnfish]

All though this is a very tragic accident, it should show that even though some one is on the river every day, and is supposedly a professional, accidents do happen. I for one require everyone in my boat when in it to have a life jacket on or we dont go. Ive had arguements with people in my boat that dont want to wear one but bottom line is, Im the captain of my boat and when your in it, you do as I say. I feel for the family of this life long "professional" guide, but, he made one tragic mistake, maybe 2. No life jacket even for clients and 2, no belt on his waders on a river that can take you anytime your on it.
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[duksnfish]

I'm not trying to start an arguement or fight over this tragic accident, but, as a licensed outfitter/guide, there are very specific "safety" items that an outfitter/guide must comply with in this state.

For one, all outfitters/guides must ensure the safety of those who employ the public in the use of their services. The Idaho Outfitters and Guide Board has jurisdiction over all of these outfitters/guides, and part of the laws they work under state: "...[size 3]
to regulate and license those persons who undertake for compensation to provide equipment and personal services to such persons, for the explicit purpose of safeguarding the health, safety, welfare and freedom from injury or danger of such persons, in the exercise of the police power of this state.

This is just an example of the safety that outfitters and guides must follow along with the board. If this guide had been working for 30+ years, he has a duty to ensure the safety of not only himself, but his clients, and this accident dutifully falls back on the outfitter that he works for by not ensuring that their guides ALWAYS make their clients wear life vest as well as their guides.

If you want to read more on what is mandated by the IOGLB and outfitters and guides are supposed to do to ensure the public safety, go to this link and I just dont understand how any outfitter or guide on any of the licensed waters in Idaho, allow themselves or any of their clients not to wear life vests. [url "http://oglb.idaho.gov/2009-Idaho%20Statutes%208%20by%2011%20draft.pdf"]http://oglb.idaho.gov/2009-Idaho%20Statutes%208%20by%2011%20draft.pdf[/url] We are lucky this wasnt more serious than it was.
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[Bmarsh]

Bad news all around. Before people make assumptions I would take what the news says with a grain of salt. From my experience with some big accidents here in the valley I have learned that 9 times out of 10 they don't even come close to reporting what really occured. Thing I do notice is that very few people sport anytype of life jacket while up there.

This time of year and through november I'm on it prob 2 to 3 days a week and its a wonder we don't loose more. Lots of people floating from hole to hole, riffle to riffle and its a shock to see some one with a jacket on. For us the rule we follow these days is, you wanna go, put the jacket on, we've sprung the cash for the smaller inflatable jackets so you can float and still fish with em on.

End of the day its a deal. We were up thursday evening while there were a ton of searching going on and I can honestly say I am glad we werent the people that found him. Tragedy for sure.
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[duksnfish]

AGREE!!!!
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[mudsucker]

When my son was about 3, we were getting in the boat and I buckled his vest around him. He said I had to wear mine, too. I thought, why not? Nobody gets in our boat without one.

And as for the news, every time I have been even remotely connected to any story personally, I found they got some facts wrong.
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[mojorizing]

[quote chrome_junky]channel 8 did say his waders filled up with water. just goes to show you how many people underestamate that river i know i am guilty of it just as much as anybody.[/quote]
I'm not sure I understand this statement of "his waders filled up with water" is/was going.
I've slipped and fallen in the water more than once, had my waders get some water in them, but it doesn't cause you to sink in the water. It's neutrally buoyant (water) so it won't pull you down, unless you hit some submerged tree limbs, or a sweeper. If he had a wading belt on, which I'm sure he did, I wouldn't bet that that's the reason. Talking to friend who new him, what he had heard was he was trying to untangle his clients flyline from around the oar when he the accident happened. Wear your PFD and stay alive folks. Safety first and screw the fly line.

R.I.P. Rob.
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[jimpete525]

Everyone that goes in my boat knows that our safety and the boat come first. If I have to row I don't care if you are tangled around the oar's I am going to row. There is no fly line' lure or fish worth anybodies safety.

Jim
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[mojorizing]

[quote jimpete525]Everyone that goes in my boat knows that our safety and the boat come first. If I have to row I don't care if you are tangled around the oar's I am going to row. There is no fly line' lure or fish worth anybodies safety.

Jim[/quote]
Amen to that. A $60 fly line isn't worth a life.
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[Bmarsh]

Not one item in the fishing gear thats worth a life, rapala, line, waders, jet boat, easiest choice in the world right there IMO life or loose gear. Loose gear everytime.
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[lucabrasi]

I have to put in something here. To the person who figured that waders filled with water will not pull you under, I can not believe that was said. Your weight, even just your legs and waist, the waders weight, and the water will sink you. It is not buoyant. Try fillng your ditch boots up or hip boost and jump up and down in a pool. Ain't going to happen. You are going to be weighed down. You are not going to float around. Some current could move you around for sure but you will go under. Everyone needs to know your waders full of water is downright dangerous, snags or no snags.
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[quote lucabrasi]I have to put in something here. To the person who figured that waders filled with water will not pull you under, I can not believe that was said. Your weight, even just your legs and waist, the waders weight, and the water will sink you. It is not buoyant. Try fillng your ditch boots up or hip boost and jump up and down in a pool. Ain't going to happen. You are going to be weighed down. You are not going to float around. Some current could move you around for sure but you will go under. Everyone needs to know your waders full of water is downright dangerous, snags or no snags.[/quote]
Explain to me how water inside your waders is going to pull you under? Does the water in the waders weigh more than the water surrounding you?
How do I know this? I've fallen before, water has gotten into my waders. (There is not much water going to enter in the first place since the waders aren't that much bigger than my body and like most I wear a wading belt.) And being that the river that I'm floating down has the same water that is in my waders (and weighing the same) I'm neutrally buoyant. It's just physics. It's something different when I get out and the water drains down to my legs, making it just a little hard to walk.
Plus your analogy is pretty much flawed Luca. Have you ever had chest waders on and been in a river up to your chest? Ever notice that the material is bound tightly against your body?
Don't you sleep with the fishes anyway?
I guess anythings possible, but if you fall and go with the flow, feet pointing downstream you can make your way to the bank. Play it safe and wear a PFD.

http://www.sexyloops.com/articles/killerwader.shtml
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[curt69]

It depends on the waders you are wearing .I was wearing rubber waders on the Blackfoot River and they filled up with water and sucked me right to the bottom . the only thing that saved me was a gravel bar . Now I wear a belt over my waders . Curt G.
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[lucabrasi]

I agree with you, water is buoyant. But fill your waders, boots, etc. Not get some in them, fill them. Then tell me you are still buoyant. No, it is not like having cement shoes on, but you aren't going to be graceful in the slightest.
I also agree that the water should press everything tight up to your body and keep anything from pouring in.
Also, you should always be feet first going downstream for sure if you fall in, but this will fill whatever you have on up. Yes, you will be able to move in the current some no argument there. Downstream and wherever it takes you.
My issue is that it is dangerous, and it will pull you under when filled. You are not going to get out anywhere close to as easy as if they were not filled. Ever tried crossing a river in strong current? Now think of doing that with full waders or boots. Same as going swimming in your clothes, you can swim, but sure is a lot harder. And if you have waders on chances are you have pants on and that is going to weigh you down even more. Would you rather fall in with waders on or your shorts? Easy answer. It is a big deal when they fill up and one should be careful and take all precautions needed for a safe trip.
I have been and probably will be guilty again of not wearing a PFD on an "easy" stretch of river but you did nail it. Wear a PFD is the bottom line.
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[flygoddess]

No, different waders do NOT make a difference.
Again NEUTRAL BUOYANCY. In the water, your boot foot do not weigh more than a stocking foot with a boot.

http://community.discovery.com/eve/forum...7491902329

http://www.sexyloops.com/articles/killerwader.shtml

The problem is not in the water unless unconscious or pulled down by an under currant which I think is the killer in this case.
The problem is trying to get out of water...CHANGING the mass. You are now packing buckets of water in each pant leg, but that is OUT of the water.

This has been proven time and time again.
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