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Got checked by the Fish & Game on Saturday, and they said they had already issued 23 citations since January 1. Boy, I have a hard time understanding people. Do people think they are going to go there and pull in 20 inchers left & right. I have pulled close to 130 fish out of there so far this year, and not a one of them has been over 20". I'm not complaining, 18-19" fish are a ball to catch & release. The fish cops have written tickets for bait fishermen and for also keeping fish under 20". They've only caught 23. How many do you think have gotten away with it? They encouraged me to write license numbers down or any other information, and call the number on the back of your license to report them. The bad thing about Daniels is you have no cell service. Lets help them patrol it and get all the cheaters busted. Whats  is you don't need to cheat. It's easy to catch fish on artificials & barbless hooks. If you feel like you need to cheat at Daniels, please go somewhere else where it is legal to use bait & keep any fish up to your limit. I have a feeling if this kind of behavior continues, we will lose Daniels as an ice fishing destination. I for one, do not want to see this happen.
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Where have you been do you think that this yr is the only yr that they have caught people using live bait I meen really. It has been going on for yrs and thats why they have fish and game to patroll what they can. What you are doing is a waste of your time people will still continue to use live bait winter or summer and yea it sucks but there is not much you can do about it. So all I can tell you is go to daniels fish enjoy it and stop trying to play fish cop it will do you no good let the fish and game play that part. I know it really sucks when people use live bait and also keep a fish that is under the limit but all you are going to do is piss people of when they see you writing there license plate number down and not only that you are not going to be able to prove it so good luck to ya. Just enjoy your fishing man trust me it will do no good. All I have started to do is ignore it and hope for fish and game to show up and trust me it will catch up with them someday whether it be when you are there or not.
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I agree with both of you. If you see someone violating the law feel free to turn them in, just be careful though, my friend was up there last year having one of those days that nothing could go wrong, he caught so many fish (legally) that someone thought he must have been breaking the rules. The fish and game met him in the parking lot and spent an hour going through his boat and questioning him and the kid that was with him. All was fine but it was a huge inconvenience for him and the game warden.
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Thanks for the report and information. I agree that there are a lot more law breakers than are being caught. I think we do need to do what we can to report them. As has been said, it is very difficult to prove, but if everyone just turns their head the poachers will always feel safe at remote locations like Danials. The remoteness of Danials is also what makes confronting a poacher very dangerous.
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Maybe they should just close it like Henry's . To hard to police . Curt G.
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Last summer while I was out there I got checked. The game warden actually sits in his truck or on the hill and looks for people with a spotting scope. There was a group of about ten hispanics or so fishing there last year with worms but they said they didn't know. I have no idea if this is true but they stopped when I told them they were breaking the law. Also an interesting thing, my family gets the Malad newspaper. It tells you what tickets were issued during the week. About 90% or so of the people ticketed for breaking IDFG rules seem to be from Utah. In response to basically forgetting about it because you can't do anything about it, this is not true at all. IDFG can go to someone's house and check their freezer if they want to. People are ticketed quite often on the Owyhee river (just over the Oregon boarder) for keeping the brown trout. Now I know that this is not in Idaho but it is the same. Fly anglers give them tips, then Oregon's fish and game checks their freezers at their house. I have heard of this happening on numerous occasions. I'm just saying, there is a way you can make a difference. You shouldn't just forget about and say there is nothing you can do about it when there is.
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I agree...if we want to play, we got to pay and by that I mean if I KNOW someone is doing something they shouldn't, I will let them know in a polite way, but I am all about the law enforcement thing.
Again, IF I know someone is doing something illegal at Daniels, I would take that 10 minute drive to phone coverage and let the law know.
No way would I ignore it!
As far as the UTAH tickets...doesn't mean they are not idaho. I was born and raised in Idaho, but I work in Utah. I am betting that can account for allot of those UTAH tickets. In other words, just cause it says UTAH doesn't mean they are not Idahoans.
But, I also wish they would CLOSE Daniels, LIKE HENRY'S, and let the fish get big again. I use to pull 27" out of there.[  ]
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It's also not just the remote locations like Daniels or the destination locales like Henry's. I personally have seen people rather blatantly poaching on the South Fork at the pali es power house. I watched 2 guys catching several fish and noted that one had put 3 on a stringer that I saw. I wasn't in position to identify species on the first one so I just kept an eye on him. He put one other fish on the stringer that was a legal brown. After that I noticed several fish caught and released (I suspect they were suspicious of my interest). Eventually they got ready to leave and offered us their hole. They picked up their stringers ('til then I only knew of 1) both loaded with 6-8 fish each, only one that I could tell was not a brown. The rest I'm almost 100% certain were all browns. I reminded them of the regs to which their reply was they could keep all the rainbows they want though. As they left I did call the IDFG. About 10 minutes later a fish cop came in and started checking people (about 15 by this time) and measuring catches. No one else appeared to be abusing the fishery but I always keep an eye out for the truck that I saw those 2 leave in. I figure in the future if I see it I'll probably just put in a call and wait for F&G to show up before I even go down there.
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Now I have nothing against Harvesting. I even eat a fish or two, but I always thought that once you have your limit on a stringer or in your possession, you are done. Is this correct? I mean NO MORE fishing even if you are just releasing them.
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That would be my understanding as well. I've even been told of people that have caught a limit, cooked it and eaten it then went back to fishing and were then ticketed for it. Once you have your limit, you are done for the day is my understanding.
I also have nothing against catch and keep. It's the abuse of a resource that I'm against.
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Amen to that brother.
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That would be my understanding as well. I've even been told of people that have caught a limit, cooked it and eaten it then went back to fishing and were then ticketed for it. [#ff0000][/#ff0000][#ff0000]Once you have your limit, you are done for the day is my understanding.[/#ff0000]
I also have nothing against catch and keep. It's the abuse of a resource that I'm against.[/quote]
I understand this in most places, but on the South Fork, does this still apply to the way you understand it? As you stated your limit is the bag limit for that day, but what about the Rainbows and Hybrids that have no limits? That would say to me you can fish all day since there is no limit on those 2 species even if you caught your limit of browns. You just have to throw any browns or Cuts back. Also, you can not keep any Cuts so there is no limit for them, does that mean you can not fish for other species? Ririe seems to be another place this would pertain to since Perch have no limit. How many people have you seen catch a limit of Kokes there but keep fishing for perch and just throw the rainbows or kokes back? The problem is not really the people, it is the way [url "mailto:F@G"][/url]F@G[/url] write the laws. You have to be an attorney to understand the regulations in someplaces, and everybody interrupts things differently. Some places like Henry's is quite simple, 2 fish of any kind.
Here is another one. If you catch 4 Rainbows and 2 Cuts on Pali es Res, your done for the day since you have your bag limit and go home. If you do not eat them and they are still in your freezer, can you go fish the South Fork the next day for Rainbows and Hybrids since there is no limit on them? Or does this fall under the possession limit? Is this possession limit all encompassing to all lakes and rivers or just the body of water you caught them on? Inquiring minds want to know. I have emailed [url "mailto:F@G"][/url]F@G[/url] some of those questions weeks ago and still no response. I think they are afraid of opening a can of worms.
All I am saying is some people do not understand the rules because of the way they are written and interpreted. Not every one you see fishing illegal may being doing it on purpose. I do know there are others which disobey the law on purpose and I have turned in a few myself. I try to follow the rules like most people, but until [url "mailto:F@G"][/url]F@G[/url] gets there regulations written so everyone can understand them, there will always be some problems. Giving [url "mailto:F@G"][/url]F@G[/url] a call and saying come check things out is the way it should be. It is their job to understand and interpret the law and police the fishing areas.
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Excellent questions and potential scenarios. I have often wondered the answer to many of them. I suspect that in the end it comes down to the individual officers interpretation of the law and that is what they go by. You may be right that they don't want to open that can of worms.
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I called Fish and Game a few weeks ago and asked about that, we were in that chesterfield derby and didnt want to sit there all day after we kept our two, I was told that as long as you catch and release you can continue fishing.
Last year I did see someone get ticketed at the power plant by pali es for keeping a cutthroat that was too small, I would report intentional poaching in a heart beat
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This is a Utah problem too. If your interested go to the Utah General fishing forum and look for the post DWR WHAT THE HELL!!! It is a pretty long thread and a lot to read but it might help you see that YES their is a problem with the GREY areas on proclamations in public eyes.
It is our obligation to know the rules and it is sometimes a little confusing right.
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I don't think they got a ticket for a cuttroat that was to small . You can't keep any cuttroat of any size on the south fork of the snake . Chesterfield should be like Henry's , If you catch and keep two fish your are done . No catch and release afterwards . Curt G.
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Thats just what I was told when I called fish and game that you could keep fishing but I wouldnt be surprised if different people would tell you different things, it could have been a brown that was too small I just know he was ticketed for keeping a fish he shouldnt have
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my problem with ppl fishing catch and release after they get there 2 fish is, what if you have one swallow a hook or it hurt badly and wont survive. I have went out ice fishing and had fish float up my hole, cawere i am sure that ppl have had that that happen. What do they expect you to do in that case. You either shove it down the hole to die or take it out and get a ticket.
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I understand what you are saying, I guess if you wanted to protect the fish you could fish with just jigs and pull the worms out of the water to avoid one completely swallowing a hook. I have been told that if they do swallow a hook to cut the line and let it rust out instead of tugging at it and hurting the fish more. Although I dont usually have the problem of a two fish limit as I spend most of my time at pali es.
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I have to say that this has been the hardest thing for us to adjust to out here. With the confusing rules and regs it is very difficult to be sure when we are legal and when we are not. Florida's F&G was a kitten compared to ID's F&G's mountain lions. In over 25 years of fishing in FL I only got checked one time. Here I have been checked 3 times in less than two years! Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of law and order but sometimes it does seem a little excessive.
I want to ensure that I teach my kids to respect the land and its resources as well as the laws that govern them. It would be great if Idaho F&G would help us reach that goal by presenting its rules and regs with verbage that leaves little room for personal interpretation.
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