01-10-2017, 05:25 AM
I have been in Southern Utah both near Zions National Park and where Grandstair Case Escalante monument which is a similar situation to what Bears Ears National Monument will be. In fact, it was actually for a class where we talked to every party that would be involved. When we were in Zions we talked to of course the NPS but we also talked to Springdale business owners and the Springdale county commission(Springdale is the small town you have to drive through to get to Zions N.P). When we went more in the Moab area and talked to Kane, Garfield and Iron county commissioners(those are the counties surrounding Grandstair Case Escalante monument) it was shocking how different things were for two similar areas. The Kane, Garfield, and Iron county areas were bitter about that national monument and actually called it cancerous(boy that was was a fun discussion and incident with our class and them haha). But the point is that Springdale and those 3 counties are literally identical situations but one's economy is thriving and the people are happy and the other's economy isn't doing well and the people are bitter and 
(probably the nicest way of putting it). Springdale has embraced to tourism and those counties haven't. That's literally the only difference.
Trust me, there's lots of places I have wanted to go including that area but I haven't been able to because of A) being poor from college and B) not having time because of college lol. It's not just this forum that I've paid attention to this topic. I've been following this topic for several years that it has been going on. During these several years Rob Bishop attempted to come up with a "compromise" called the Public Lands Initiative. It was absolutely unacceptable. You might not be happy about the monument but it happened in large part because of Bishops unacceptable PLI. If you're going to be mad at anyone, it should be Rob Bishop.
Look, I can kind kind of understand what you mean by saying I sound like a college kid who hasn't been there but the reality is I don't need to have been there to talk about the basics of what a monument designation does. Grazing and all that still is allowed to take place where it is occurring. The part that you're probably not happy about is that things like grazing require a recovery period. If you've only got one grazing permit over a particular section then you won't be able to go graze somewhere new while that area recovers. So I'll admit that it's kind of like you're going to be going from a full time job to a part time job. I'm sorry that the world is the way it is but this monument designation is the only way this area wouldn't be sold. It's not just paranoi. It's proven with Utah's state government track record with our public lands. They've sold over 50% of state owned public lands since becoming a state. That's actually why it appears that a lot of our state is under federal management.
But just like you wished me luck, I wish you the best of luck in the future and encourage you and the community surrounding Bears Ears to be like Springdale, NOT Iron, Kane, and Garfield County.
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(probably the nicest way of putting it). Springdale has embraced to tourism and those counties haven't. That's literally the only difference. Trust me, there's lots of places I have wanted to go including that area but I haven't been able to because of A) being poor from college and B) not having time because of college lol. It's not just this forum that I've paid attention to this topic. I've been following this topic for several years that it has been going on. During these several years Rob Bishop attempted to come up with a "compromise" called the Public Lands Initiative. It was absolutely unacceptable. You might not be happy about the monument but it happened in large part because of Bishops unacceptable PLI. If you're going to be mad at anyone, it should be Rob Bishop.
Look, I can kind kind of understand what you mean by saying I sound like a college kid who hasn't been there but the reality is I don't need to have been there to talk about the basics of what a monument designation does. Grazing and all that still is allowed to take place where it is occurring. The part that you're probably not happy about is that things like grazing require a recovery period. If you've only got one grazing permit over a particular section then you won't be able to go graze somewhere new while that area recovers. So I'll admit that it's kind of like you're going to be going from a full time job to a part time job. I'm sorry that the world is the way it is but this monument designation is the only way this area wouldn't be sold. It's not just paranoi. It's proven with Utah's state government track record with our public lands. They've sold over 50% of state owned public lands since becoming a state. That's actually why it appears that a lot of our state is under federal management.
But just like you wished me luck, I wish you the best of luck in the future and encourage you and the community surrounding Bears Ears to be like Springdale, NOT Iron, Kane, and Garfield County.
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