04-07-2011, 09:05 PM
And the winner is.... bassrods.
[quote bassrods]
Do you know how long the shad has been in there??(gizzard)[/quote]
http://www.utahoutdoors.com/pages/gizzardshad.htm
What in the world would make you think it is easier or cheaper to raise fish to feed to other fish?
Perch are the feeder, or forage fish in Yuba. If you wanna talk expensive, try doing the same thing at Yuba that they did when the dam was repaired. Only now you won't be able to establish another forage fish because there are too many predators. The problem is we can't raise enough of them to feed the predators. It is easier, cheaper and more feasible to control the predators by planting hybrids.
You really should get a couple of aquariums Cliff. Raise Oscars in one, and a feeder fish in another. See how hard it is to keep enough feeders for a dozen Oscars. Or buy enough to feed them. The perch that the UDWR put in Yuba were said to be about a buck apiece.
[quote bassrods]The DWR has got rid of all the native fish ( or tried to) why not at leased try and balance our lakes and put some feeder fish in them with the game fish we have now.. [/quote]
This is Exactly what I've been trying to tell you, but you don't seem to be able to get it. The system is out of balance. Thin the predators and the forage will rebound.
Where do you come up with the idea that the UDWR has tried to get rid of all of the native fish? Probably from the same source that thinks they put walleye in Deer Creek. They knew that the walleyes would be another predator in a reservoir full of predators. I highly doubt the UDWR had anything to do with the introduction of walleyes in Deer Creek.
Rather than try to put food in Deer Creek for White Bass, let's get the White Bass out of there and not put anything else in. If you want some good fishing for White Bass, go fishing where White Bass do well, rather than try to make Deer Creek or Utah Lake for that matter into a White Bass fishery.
[quote bassrods]And as we all know it has worked, now Powell back in the late 70's and 80's the lake was great but the Stripers was on the rise and it went down in one winter, then the lake was BAD skinny fish or no fish at all for over 10 years..
Now comes the shad Gizzard and the DWR said they would eat all the food from the other hatching game fish fry... [/quote]
Gizzard shad may be the greatest thing in the world for Lake Powell. But in a few more years they may be the biggest problem. They've had enough time to become established lake wide, now we'll have to see if they become so abundant that they impact the survivability of the other species. Success at Powell is a relative concept. The Gizzard Shad work very well at Willard because they die off in bad winters. If they didn't, they would be like carp at Yuba.
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[quote bassrods]
Do you know how long the shad has been in there??(gizzard)[/quote]
http://www.utahoutdoors.com/pages/gizzardshad.htm
What in the world would make you think it is easier or cheaper to raise fish to feed to other fish?
Perch are the feeder, or forage fish in Yuba. If you wanna talk expensive, try doing the same thing at Yuba that they did when the dam was repaired. Only now you won't be able to establish another forage fish because there are too many predators. The problem is we can't raise enough of them to feed the predators. It is easier, cheaper and more feasible to control the predators by planting hybrids.
You really should get a couple of aquariums Cliff. Raise Oscars in one, and a feeder fish in another. See how hard it is to keep enough feeders for a dozen Oscars. Or buy enough to feed them. The perch that the UDWR put in Yuba were said to be about a buck apiece.
[quote bassrods]The DWR has got rid of all the native fish ( or tried to) why not at leased try and balance our lakes and put some feeder fish in them with the game fish we have now.. [/quote]
This is Exactly what I've been trying to tell you, but you don't seem to be able to get it. The system is out of balance. Thin the predators and the forage will rebound.
Where do you come up with the idea that the UDWR has tried to get rid of all of the native fish? Probably from the same source that thinks they put walleye in Deer Creek. They knew that the walleyes would be another predator in a reservoir full of predators. I highly doubt the UDWR had anything to do with the introduction of walleyes in Deer Creek.
Rather than try to put food in Deer Creek for White Bass, let's get the White Bass out of there and not put anything else in. If you want some good fishing for White Bass, go fishing where White Bass do well, rather than try to make Deer Creek or Utah Lake for that matter into a White Bass fishery.
[quote bassrods]And as we all know it has worked, now Powell back in the late 70's and 80's the lake was great but the Stripers was on the rise and it went down in one winter, then the lake was BAD skinny fish or no fish at all for over 10 years..
Now comes the shad Gizzard and the DWR said they would eat all the food from the other hatching game fish fry... [/quote]
Gizzard shad may be the greatest thing in the world for Lake Powell. But in a few more years they may be the biggest problem. They've had enough time to become established lake wide, now we'll have to see if they become so abundant that they impact the survivability of the other species. Success at Powell is a relative concept. The Gizzard Shad work very well at Willard because they die off in bad winters. If they didn't, they would be like carp at Yuba.
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