04-07-2011, 04:46 PM
[quote bassrods]Read all that fishrmn wrights, if its not a trout its a trash fish and should be removed from the water...
he only like or wants trout...
You and I and others like all types of fish, and we know that a lake with only one kind of fish is a waste..But Fishrmn wants only trout..[/quote]
Sorry bassrods, you've come to a misguided conclusion. I don't write about fish other than trout being trash fish. I never have. There are many other types of fish that I have enjoyed fishing for. The problem is that once a non native fish gets established it is nearly impossible to control the consequences. Good or bad. Stripers at Powell were thought to be unable to spawn effectively. There were high hopes that they would be much like wipers. They're able to spawn every year and have created a boom and bust problem. The Gizzard Shad that were accidentally introduced have helped for now, but nobody knows what will happen in a few years when the shad reach their maximum numbers. They may wind up being like carp in Yuba.
Pike are often called "Water Wolves". Look at what is happening with the reintroduction of wolves in Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming. Do you think it is a good thing for the deer, elk, moose, coyotes, cows, sheep, or anything else that a wolf can eat? When the wolves reach their maximum numbers and they're eating cattle and sheep to survive, do you think it would be a good time to try to establish a new species of ungulate, like say caribou? No. Every young caribou would be hard pressed to survive with so many wolves around that they've already eaten most of the elk, and they're having to survive on cattle and sheep. The same thing is going to happen to Yuba. This year looks like a good water year. That could change. It could get too warm too fast and the runoff could be short lived. We could go into a very dry spring and summer. Either way, it looks like there will be lots of water in Yuba for the next few months. That will be good news for all of the fish in Yuba. Carp, walleye, pike, and if there are any left, perch. There aren't very many perch left. Who says there aren't many perch left? The pike. The fishermen who target perch. The UDWR. The pike are having to eat carp. They don't do it by choice. They're doing it because they can't find enough perch to eat. The guys who like to catch Yuba's jumbo perch aren't catching very many. The gill nets are coming up nearly empty for perch. So when the perch spawn, their offspring are going into a reservoir that is already full of pike, and has more than a few walleyes. They're gonna get eaten before they get big enough to spawn. The pike will spawn, and their offspring will eat perch fry. The walleye will spawn, and their offspring will eat perch fry.
The UDWR tried to establish perch before the predators got well established after the repair work on the dam at Yuba. They spent lots of money, time and effort to get three year classes of perch in there at once. They bought young of the year, they bought juvenile fish, and they arranged for the transplanting of adult, spawning age fish from local waters. They protected perch, against the wishes of many fishermen, for a couple of years. It still wasn't enough. The predators won. They're gonna win again when the water comes up this spring and the few perch that are there spawn and reproduce. There are too many top end predators for the resource.
Is anybody catching "hammer handles"? Are there any pike that are eating well in the 10 to 22 inch size? I'm not hearing of any. I'm not seeing any information from the UDWR that there are any in that size. Why? Because every year when the pike spawn, the young grow for a few months on carp fry, get about 8 or 9 inches, and then run out of food. The big pike in Yuba used up all of the perch to get over that first couple of years. Now they're big enough to survive on carp, but they're not doing a great job of balancing with the resource. That's what I call a waste.
I love wipers. I would like to see them in a certain few other waters. But they don't belong everywhere. White Bass in Deer Creek are a mistake. Wipers in Deer Creek would be a better option, but certainly not a good option. Tiger Musky would be a much better fish for Yuba, but it probably won't happen. Why? Because Northern Pike are in the drainage, their numbers are uncontrollable, and they're already out of balance with their prey base.
By all means, carry on. Enjoy Yuba for what it is. Baby sit the big pike while they last. Until their numbers are reduced, there won't be enough prey to support a more balanced fishery in Yuba. If their numbers were reduced the perch would be better able to make a comeback, which would in turn allow more pike and walleye to survive and grow. Here it is in bold print. I'm not against pike in Yuba. I'm against keeping the balance tipped in favor of large, top end predators. If their numbers were reduced (Not eliminated) the perch would be able to make a comeback, and the fishery as a whole would be better. You could catch perch, walleye, and pike. Right now there are few walleye being caught, and almost no perch.
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he only like or wants trout...
You and I and others like all types of fish, and we know that a lake with only one kind of fish is a waste..But Fishrmn wants only trout..[/quote]
Sorry bassrods, you've come to a misguided conclusion. I don't write about fish other than trout being trash fish. I never have. There are many other types of fish that I have enjoyed fishing for. The problem is that once a non native fish gets established it is nearly impossible to control the consequences. Good or bad. Stripers at Powell were thought to be unable to spawn effectively. There were high hopes that they would be much like wipers. They're able to spawn every year and have created a boom and bust problem. The Gizzard Shad that were accidentally introduced have helped for now, but nobody knows what will happen in a few years when the shad reach their maximum numbers. They may wind up being like carp in Yuba.
Pike are often called "Water Wolves". Look at what is happening with the reintroduction of wolves in Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming. Do you think it is a good thing for the deer, elk, moose, coyotes, cows, sheep, or anything else that a wolf can eat? When the wolves reach their maximum numbers and they're eating cattle and sheep to survive, do you think it would be a good time to try to establish a new species of ungulate, like say caribou? No. Every young caribou would be hard pressed to survive with so many wolves around that they've already eaten most of the elk, and they're having to survive on cattle and sheep. The same thing is going to happen to Yuba. This year looks like a good water year. That could change. It could get too warm too fast and the runoff could be short lived. We could go into a very dry spring and summer. Either way, it looks like there will be lots of water in Yuba for the next few months. That will be good news for all of the fish in Yuba. Carp, walleye, pike, and if there are any left, perch. There aren't very many perch left. Who says there aren't many perch left? The pike. The fishermen who target perch. The UDWR. The pike are having to eat carp. They don't do it by choice. They're doing it because they can't find enough perch to eat. The guys who like to catch Yuba's jumbo perch aren't catching very many. The gill nets are coming up nearly empty for perch. So when the perch spawn, their offspring are going into a reservoir that is already full of pike, and has more than a few walleyes. They're gonna get eaten before they get big enough to spawn. The pike will spawn, and their offspring will eat perch fry. The walleye will spawn, and their offspring will eat perch fry.
The UDWR tried to establish perch before the predators got well established after the repair work on the dam at Yuba. They spent lots of money, time and effort to get three year classes of perch in there at once. They bought young of the year, they bought juvenile fish, and they arranged for the transplanting of adult, spawning age fish from local waters. They protected perch, against the wishes of many fishermen, for a couple of years. It still wasn't enough. The predators won. They're gonna win again when the water comes up this spring and the few perch that are there spawn and reproduce. There are too many top end predators for the resource.
Is anybody catching "hammer handles"? Are there any pike that are eating well in the 10 to 22 inch size? I'm not hearing of any. I'm not seeing any information from the UDWR that there are any in that size. Why? Because every year when the pike spawn, the young grow for a few months on carp fry, get about 8 or 9 inches, and then run out of food. The big pike in Yuba used up all of the perch to get over that first couple of years. Now they're big enough to survive on carp, but they're not doing a great job of balancing with the resource. That's what I call a waste.
I love wipers. I would like to see them in a certain few other waters. But they don't belong everywhere. White Bass in Deer Creek are a mistake. Wipers in Deer Creek would be a better option, but certainly not a good option. Tiger Musky would be a much better fish for Yuba, but it probably won't happen. Why? Because Northern Pike are in the drainage, their numbers are uncontrollable, and they're already out of balance with their prey base.
By all means, carry on. Enjoy Yuba for what it is. Baby sit the big pike while they last. Until their numbers are reduced, there won't be enough prey to support a more balanced fishery in Yuba. If their numbers were reduced the perch would be better able to make a comeback, which would in turn allow more pike and walleye to survive and grow. Here it is in bold print. I'm not against pike in Yuba. I'm against keeping the balance tipped in favor of large, top end predators. If their numbers were reduced (Not eliminated) the perch would be able to make a comeback, and the fishery as a whole would be better. You could catch perch, walleye, and pike. Right now there are few walleye being caught, and almost no perch.
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