03-11-2010, 05:20 AM
[quote walleyebob] I understand the contitutional rights. [/quote]
If you understand you contitutional rights then why are you siding with Private Land Owners. Whos to say I cant drop a wad of cash a buy a section of Willard bay and say hey F -off get off my water how contitutional is that ?
IT IS A CLEAR VIOLATION OF SEPARATION OF POWERS, MAKING IT IN DIRECT CONTRAST TO THE UTAH CONSTITUTION ARTICLE V SECTION I AND THE IDEALS OF OUR FOUNDING FATHERS.
IT WAS DONE IN SECRET, AND THE SUBSTITUTE BILL CAME OUT AFTER IT PASSED COMMITTEE AND WAS SPRUNG ON THE HOUSE FOR A QUICK DEBATE.
APPROVES A POLITICAL AND CONTROVERSIAL PROCESS OF ADDING WATERS TO A LIST THAT CAN BE ACCESS BY THE PUBLIC AND SAYING WHAT WATERS CAN’T BE ACCESSED BY THE PUBLIC.
NEGATES OVER 100 YEARS OF WATER LAW IN UTAH.
FLIES IN THE FACE OF 3 UTAH SUPREME COURT DECISIONS SEPARATED BY OVER 70 YEARS DECLARING AND DEFINING THE PUBLIC’S EASEMENT IN STATE WATERS.
REFUSES TO BALANCE TWO COMPETING CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, BUT UNCONSTITUTIONALLY DISREGARDS ONE IN THE FAVOR OF THE OTHER.
[quote walleyebob] Tell me, what do landowners have to gain by letting you on their property?[/quote]
Creates a pool of money that is distributed to private land owners to supplement the cost of easements and clean up of there land.
absolves a property owner of liability for certain conduct in connection with
27 recreational uses
The Division of Wildlife Resources shall create a free public education program to
inform the public of this chapter's provisions concerning access to public waters and private beds.
prohibits certain conduct on public waters;
[quote walleyebob] Fight with them all you want and lets see how much money we can waste..[/quote]
More money will be wasted in civil suits against private land owners
scenario #1 Wreck-less kid jumps the fence of a neighbors yard gets bitten by your dog many cases and jury's have cited with the wreck-less kid.
Scenero #2 your cattle has broken free of its fence a driver hits your cow you are partially responsible for the damages and a involved in a civil suit.
[quote walleyebob] I will just go about it my way. Treat the landowners with respect and ask permission. [/quote]
And if landowner denies you access just for the fact he want to be a jerk Another reason for him to deny you access is now liable if you get injured on his property.
[quote walleyebob] I'll be fishing while you are on capitol hill. Have fun.[/quote]
Maybe now but HB141 creates a foundation for Private Landowners to segregate Private waters from the public. So say Joe Smoe to buys a huge chunk of land near you favorite fishing spot say the water flows on his property that are is not consered private and no longer fishable to the public.
One example many individuals report fishing the upper Provo River with their children and grandchildren, but it is now blocked by Victory Ranch.
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If you understand you contitutional rights then why are you siding with Private Land Owners. Whos to say I cant drop a wad of cash a buy a section of Willard bay and say hey F -off get off my water how contitutional is that ?
IT IS A CLEAR VIOLATION OF SEPARATION OF POWERS, MAKING IT IN DIRECT CONTRAST TO THE UTAH CONSTITUTION ARTICLE V SECTION I AND THE IDEALS OF OUR FOUNDING FATHERS.
IT WAS DONE IN SECRET, AND THE SUBSTITUTE BILL CAME OUT AFTER IT PASSED COMMITTEE AND WAS SPRUNG ON THE HOUSE FOR A QUICK DEBATE.
APPROVES A POLITICAL AND CONTROVERSIAL PROCESS OF ADDING WATERS TO A LIST THAT CAN BE ACCESS BY THE PUBLIC AND SAYING WHAT WATERS CAN’T BE ACCESSED BY THE PUBLIC.
NEGATES OVER 100 YEARS OF WATER LAW IN UTAH.
FLIES IN THE FACE OF 3 UTAH SUPREME COURT DECISIONS SEPARATED BY OVER 70 YEARS DECLARING AND DEFINING THE PUBLIC’S EASEMENT IN STATE WATERS.
REFUSES TO BALANCE TWO COMPETING CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, BUT UNCONSTITUTIONALLY DISREGARDS ONE IN THE FAVOR OF THE OTHER.
[quote walleyebob] Tell me, what do landowners have to gain by letting you on their property?[/quote]
Creates a pool of money that is distributed to private land owners to supplement the cost of easements and clean up of there land.
absolves a property owner of liability for certain conduct in connection with
27 recreational uses
The Division of Wildlife Resources shall create a free public education program to
inform the public of this chapter's provisions concerning access to public waters and private beds.
prohibits certain conduct on public waters;
[quote walleyebob] Fight with them all you want and lets see how much money we can waste..[/quote]
More money will be wasted in civil suits against private land owners
scenario #1 Wreck-less kid jumps the fence of a neighbors yard gets bitten by your dog many cases and jury's have cited with the wreck-less kid.
Scenero #2 your cattle has broken free of its fence a driver hits your cow you are partially responsible for the damages and a involved in a civil suit.
[quote walleyebob] I will just go about it my way. Treat the landowners with respect and ask permission. [/quote]
And if landowner denies you access just for the fact he want to be a jerk Another reason for him to deny you access is now liable if you get injured on his property.
[quote walleyebob] I'll be fishing while you are on capitol hill. Have fun.[/quote]
Maybe now but HB141 creates a foundation for Private Landowners to segregate Private waters from the public. So say Joe Smoe to buys a huge chunk of land near you favorite fishing spot say the water flows on his property that are is not consered private and no longer fishable to the public.
One example many individuals report fishing the upper Provo River with their children and grandchildren, but it is now blocked by Victory Ranch.
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