01-31-2007, 10:34 PM
Reality ?
Applying for the licence isn't overpriced ? Like I said a 50 cent lottery ticket can get me a couple hundred bucks , $5.00 gets me a ($30.00 + the aplication fee of $5.00 ) a $35.00 turkey if i'm lucky ?
A store bought bird runs about $17.00 . Do the math .
I must be ignorant .
[size 1]Look at the back of your guides to get some sort of economic scale of the DNR fisheries or wildlife budgets.[/size]
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[size 1]Oh , I'm sorry , I didn't think of looking there for that little bit of information , instead I go the the Michigan Treasury Department .[/size]
The. D.N.R. and the D.E.Q. weren't once the same entity an nolonger have a say-so concerning balast water ? NATURAL RESOURCES AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION ACT
Act 451 of 1994
AN ACT to protect the environment and natural resources of the state; to codify, revise, consolidate, and classify laws relating to the environment and natural resources of the state; to regulate the discharge of certain substances into the environment; to regulate the use of certain lands, waters, and other natural resources of the state; to prescribe the powers and duties of certain state and local agencies and officials; to provide for certain charges, fees, assessments, and donations; to provide certain appropriations; to prescribe penalties and provide remedies; and to repeal acts and parts of acts.
324.3109 Discharge into state waters; prohibitions; exception; violation; penalties; abatement.
Sec. 3109.
(5) Beginning January 1, 2007, unless a discharge is authorized by a permit, order, or rule of the department, the discharge into the waters of this state from an oceangoing vessel of any [url "http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(1al1lpzljd3kbqyqvjdty4ym))/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=mcl-324-3109&queryid=16609504&highlight=ballast%20water#top"]ballast water[/url] is prima facie evidence of a violation of this part and subjects the responsible person to the penalties prescribed in section 3115.
I must be ignorant .
[size 1]Of course people like you never complain to your politicians about there lack of state stewardship responsibilty. But you will be first in line to tell them not to raise your license fees.[/size]
[size 1]Once again, thank you for your e-mail and please feel free to contact me with any questions or concerns you may have regarding this, or any other issue. Sincerely, State Representative Tim Moore
97th District [/size]
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[font "Times New Roman"]Again, thank you for contacting me, I look forward to hearing from you.[/font][size 1]
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[/size][font "Times New Roman"][size 3]Sincerely,[/size][/font][size 1]
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[/size][font "Times New Roman"][size 3]Glenn Steil, Jr.[/size][/font][size 1]
[/size][font "Times New Roman"][size 3]State Representative [/size][/font]
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[size 1]I hope this helps give you a better understanding why the legislation
was introduced.
Sincerely,
Paula Zelenko
State Representative [/size]
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[size 1]Again, thank you for sharing your opinion on this bill. Sincerely, Barb Vander Veen [/size]
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[size 1]I will certainly keep your thoughts in mind if this bill ever gets out of committee and before me for a vote on the House Floor. Sincerely, Dan Acciavatti State Representative[/size]
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[size 1]Thanks for your continued input. Paula Zelenko State Representative 50th District [/size]
[size 1]You are an important part of the legislative process and I look forward to hearing from you in the near future. Sincerely, Dave Hildenbrand
State Representative
86th District [/size]
I must be ignorant. Which leduslature's E-Mail address would you like ?
[size 1]Think about it next time you fill up with gas for your trip or stop at Jays, cabelas, gander Mtn or any other outdoor store and drop some cash. [/size]
And a percentage of the added pre-sale price tax isn't going to the D.N.R. already ? I must be Ignorant .
[size 1]Now we have a much higher percentage of senior licenses than we did then (baby boomers) and that loss of promised money builds and builds.[/size]
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And yet , The D.N.R. [font "Arial"]DOES NOT SUPPORT House bill 4659 ,[/font]
[font "Arial"]If the current majority of sportsmen are getting up in age then the D.N.R. should cater to the needs of that majority instead of turning a blind eye to them .[/font]
When a outdoorsman contacts the Mi.D.N.R. to ask about why the Mi.D.N.R. has made a change that has a negative impact to our outdoor activitys , do we get a courtous responce ? No !
[size 1]Response (Ozzie Bryant) -
> If you would like to address your concerns in regards to the law giving
> the Department the right to manage Public Lands, contact your local
> representative and state senator.[/size]
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[font "Arial"]Yea , Call me stupid .[/font]
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[size 1]Do you know that there will be massive cuts to programs if it doesn't go through. Maybe we don't need all those walleye and salmon anyways.[/size]
As far as the Walleye , I , as a regular Joe belong to a group that spends the fall and early spring prepairing the rearing pond that gives the hatchlings a place to grow into sizable fingerlings that are then transported thruout the Great Lakes area for future generations to enjoy catching . I don't charge for my time doing this , I do it because as a fisherman it is the right thing to do .
I hear guys boasting about going to a one day event to clean the banks of a river , Heck , I do it whenever I go out , I pick up trash left by others on the riverbanks and in the woods , my kids do to .
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324.503
The department may accept funds, money, or grants for development of salmon and steelhead trout fishing in this state from the government of the United States, or any of its departments or agencies, pursuant to the anadromous fish conservation act, Public Law 89-304, 16 U.S.C. 757a to 757f, and may use this money in accordance with the terms and provisions of that act. However, the acceptance and use of federal funds does not commit state funds and does not place an obligation upon the legislature to continue the purposes for which the funds are made available.
324.505 Federal fish stock and programs; application; listing of programs supplied to legislature.
Sec. 505.
The department, in pursuing the state's policy of propagating fish for the purpose of stocking the streams and lakes of the state, shall accept federal fish stock for such programs, and shall apply for all federal fish stock programs that do not commit the state to future expenditures.[size 2]
History: 1994, Act 451, Eff. Mar. 30, 1995
Popular Name: Act 451[/size]
Call me bubba , cause' I must be ignorant .
[size 1]As a moderator, you should educate yourself on the subjects you gripe about.[/size]
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[size 1]Hey , I do try , but I am not perfect , Like I said I do value your opinion . Your comments did some good to see that some moderate increases are a necessity .[/size]
[size 1]On the otherhand , There are changes that need to be made concerning encouraging the publics involvement in outdoor recreation in order to promote more activity and turning around a declining number of participants . [/size]
[size 1]You are under the asumption that the D.N.R. can only get funds to keep it alive from the active outdoor sportsperson , ssoooo wrong ![/size]
[size 1]Concessions , oil leases , mineral revinews , man the list goes on and on , including federal funds .[/size]
[size 1][/size]
[size 1]I may be ignorant in your opinion as you are entilted to have one , but , I can reconise mismanagement when I see it and I'm not about to stand by and let it continue without voicing my concerns .[/size]
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Applying for the licence isn't overpriced ? Like I said a 50 cent lottery ticket can get me a couple hundred bucks , $5.00 gets me a ($30.00 + the aplication fee of $5.00 ) a $35.00 turkey if i'm lucky ?
A store bought bird runs about $17.00 . Do the math .
I must be ignorant .
[size 1]Look at the back of your guides to get some sort of economic scale of the DNR fisheries or wildlife budgets.[/size]
[size 1][/size]
[size 1]Oh , I'm sorry , I didn't think of looking there for that little bit of information , instead I go the the Michigan Treasury Department .[/size]
The. D.N.R. and the D.E.Q. weren't once the same entity an nolonger have a say-so concerning balast water ? NATURAL RESOURCES AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION ACT
Act 451 of 1994
AN ACT to protect the environment and natural resources of the state; to codify, revise, consolidate, and classify laws relating to the environment and natural resources of the state; to regulate the discharge of certain substances into the environment; to regulate the use of certain lands, waters, and other natural resources of the state; to prescribe the powers and duties of certain state and local agencies and officials; to provide for certain charges, fees, assessments, and donations; to provide certain appropriations; to prescribe penalties and provide remedies; and to repeal acts and parts of acts.
324.3109 Discharge into state waters; prohibitions; exception; violation; penalties; abatement.
Sec. 3109.
(5) Beginning January 1, 2007, unless a discharge is authorized by a permit, order, or rule of the department, the discharge into the waters of this state from an oceangoing vessel of any [url "http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(1al1lpzljd3kbqyqvjdty4ym))/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=mcl-324-3109&queryid=16609504&highlight=ballast%20water#top"]ballast water[/url] is prima facie evidence of a violation of this part and subjects the responsible person to the penalties prescribed in section 3115.
I must be ignorant .
[size 1]Of course people like you never complain to your politicians about there lack of state stewardship responsibilty. But you will be first in line to tell them not to raise your license fees.[/size]
[size 1]Once again, thank you for your e-mail and please feel free to contact me with any questions or concerns you may have regarding this, or any other issue. Sincerely, State Representative Tim Moore
97th District [/size]
[font "Times New Roman"][/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]Again, thank you for contacting me, I look forward to hearing from you.[/font][size 1]
[font "Times New Roman"][/font]
[/size][font "Times New Roman"][size 3]Sincerely,[/size][/font][size 1]
[font "Times New Roman"][/font]
[/size][font "Times New Roman"][size 3]Glenn Steil, Jr.[/size][/font][size 1]
[/size][font "Times New Roman"][size 3]State Representative [/size][/font]
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[size 1][/size]
[size 1]I hope this helps give you a better understanding why the legislation
was introduced.
Sincerely,
Paula Zelenko
State Representative [/size]
[size 1][/size]
[size 1][/size]
[size 1]Again, thank you for sharing your opinion on this bill. Sincerely, Barb Vander Veen [/size]
[size 1][/size]
[size 1][/size]
[size 1]I will certainly keep your thoughts in mind if this bill ever gets out of committee and before me for a vote on the House Floor. Sincerely, Dan Acciavatti State Representative[/size]
[size 1][/size]
[size 1][/size]
[size 1]Thanks for your continued input. Paula Zelenko State Representative 50th District [/size]
[size 1]You are an important part of the legislative process and I look forward to hearing from you in the near future. Sincerely, Dave Hildenbrand
State Representative
86th District [/size]
I must be ignorant. Which leduslature's E-Mail address would you like ?
[size 1]Think about it next time you fill up with gas for your trip or stop at Jays, cabelas, gander Mtn or any other outdoor store and drop some cash. [/size]
And a percentage of the added pre-sale price tax isn't going to the D.N.R. already ? I must be Ignorant .
[size 1]Now we have a much higher percentage of senior licenses than we did then (baby boomers) and that loss of promised money builds and builds.[/size]
[size 1][/size]
And yet , The D.N.R. [font "Arial"]DOES NOT SUPPORT House bill 4659 ,[/font]
[font "Arial"]If the current majority of sportsmen are getting up in age then the D.N.R. should cater to the needs of that majority instead of turning a blind eye to them .[/font]
When a outdoorsman contacts the Mi.D.N.R. to ask about why the Mi.D.N.R. has made a change that has a negative impact to our outdoor activitys , do we get a courtous responce ? No !
[size 1]Response (Ozzie Bryant) -
> If you would like to address your concerns in regards to the law giving
> the Department the right to manage Public Lands, contact your local
> representative and state senator.[/size]
[font "Arial"][/font]
[font "Arial"]Yea , Call me stupid .[/font]
[font "Arial"][/font]
[size 1]Do you know that there will be massive cuts to programs if it doesn't go through. Maybe we don't need all those walleye and salmon anyways.[/size]
As far as the Walleye , I , as a regular Joe belong to a group that spends the fall and early spring prepairing the rearing pond that gives the hatchlings a place to grow into sizable fingerlings that are then transported thruout the Great Lakes area for future generations to enjoy catching . I don't charge for my time doing this , I do it because as a fisherman it is the right thing to do .
I hear guys boasting about going to a one day event to clean the banks of a river , Heck , I do it whenever I go out , I pick up trash left by others on the riverbanks and in the woods , my kids do to .
[size 1][/size]
324.503
The department may accept funds, money, or grants for development of salmon and steelhead trout fishing in this state from the government of the United States, or any of its departments or agencies, pursuant to the anadromous fish conservation act, Public Law 89-304, 16 U.S.C. 757a to 757f, and may use this money in accordance with the terms and provisions of that act. However, the acceptance and use of federal funds does not commit state funds and does not place an obligation upon the legislature to continue the purposes for which the funds are made available.
324.505 Federal fish stock and programs; application; listing of programs supplied to legislature.
Sec. 505.
The department, in pursuing the state's policy of propagating fish for the purpose of stocking the streams and lakes of the state, shall accept federal fish stock for such programs, and shall apply for all federal fish stock programs that do not commit the state to future expenditures.[size 2]
History: 1994, Act 451, Eff. Mar. 30, 1995
Popular Name: Act 451[/size]
Call me bubba , cause' I must be ignorant .
[size 1]As a moderator, you should educate yourself on the subjects you gripe about.[/size]
[size 1][/size]
[size 1]Hey , I do try , but I am not perfect , Like I said I do value your opinion . Your comments did some good to see that some moderate increases are a necessity .[/size]
[size 1]On the otherhand , There are changes that need to be made concerning encouraging the publics involvement in outdoor recreation in order to promote more activity and turning around a declining number of participants . [/size]
[size 1]You are under the asumption that the D.N.R. can only get funds to keep it alive from the active outdoor sportsperson , ssoooo wrong ![/size]
[size 1]Concessions , oil leases , mineral revinews , man the list goes on and on , including federal funds .[/size]
[size 1][/size]
[size 1]I may be ignorant in your opinion as you are entilted to have one , but , I can reconise mismanagement when I see it and I'm not about to stand by and let it continue without voicing my concerns .[/size]
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