01-25-2007, 11:54 PM
[size 1]My point being that you shouldn't manage a resource based on a "harvest as much as possible mentality".[/size]
Uh , Don't you think that the D.N.R. is thinking that about average Joes wallet ?
I don't know about how the government operates , but in the real world of average joe citicen , If you don't have enough money to live off of , ya either get a second or third job or do without .
Hell my pockets only go soo deep and then there's nothing left .
Now as far as the price , Don't get me started !
Now if we put the same D.N.R. mathamatics involved in raising the states minimum wage a burger flipper at Mc Donnalds would be raking in about $20.00 an hour by 2006 , whoops , that didn't happen did it [crazy]?
I was making $7.50 back in 71' , My wages are under the "inflation rate" currently charged for a deer license ($15.00 ) . $36.06 ? , who's income is this based on ?
The state has gotta quit basing everyones income on the big 3s wage scale , not everyone that works belongs to a union !
I loved looking in the paper a couple years back when jenny sold off a couple hundred acers of hunting land on the west side of the state to a company from Japan for , correct me if I'm wrong , a buck and no property taxes !
Then I see her in this weeks paper schmoosing some China dude auto maker . I'm thinking , what kinda deal is gonna happen now .
We had and have several metropolitan areas that already have suport systems in place to get a major mfg. operation going , why not utilise them ?
I could kick myself in the butt for saying this but ,Why not do more for the automakers we already have ? (I don't come close to those kind of wages ).
Now you take that land jenny gave away , devide it up into 10 acre plots and raffle them off at $20.00 a ticket and I betcha you would make a cool million a plot and more than that in real estate taxes every year after .
When a failing state campground can be managed by a private party and show a profit in the first year , what does that tell ya ?
It tells me someone has been mismanaging things for awhile and someone else knows that taking care of those who use the area will bring back old and new business .
Our problem is were dealing with a government agency that only knows two things to make money , raise the rates and add a few more taxes .
Ya' want more people fishing , hunting and camping ? cater to your coustomer base , it's how all sucessfull business run .
[size 1]You two should add up all the money that you spend in a given year on fishing and hunting supplies and equipment, gas for driving to your destination or for your boat, beer or whatever else encompases you outings and then compare that to the price of your licences.[/size]
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[size 1]If we deducted all the federal and state taxes imposed on these items then hell , I wouldn't be opposed to paying more , ya' gotta realise , Michigan's taxes on these items are higher than the taxes paid on them in other states .[/size]
[size 1]Do they have as much to manage as us?[/size]
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[size 1]supply and demand , thats why diamonds are so expensive .[/size]
My gosh bud , I don't want ya thinking I'm anti- D.N.R. , cause I'm not . I think we have a pretty good bunch of them here in our state .
The thing is , years of let's make this a law and lets make that a law has piled up and ruined it for the simple pastimes that used to be enjoyed by states population . They wrecked it for a lot of guys by making it too hard for them and now they want the rest of us to pay for there mistakes .
I don't go hunting and fishing with the " I gotta limit out " attitude .
I steelhead and salmon fish whenever possible , combined I maybe keep 3 a year to eat . If I feel like a regular fish dinner , I get enough for a meal or two at one of the local lakes .
Venison , I don't fill every tag every year but I try my best to . I have a dosen or so tags that I never got a chance to fill but i would have liked to .
Maybe your used to hunting and fishing as a hobby .
Me , I never harvest more fish than is needed , and don't take half as much as the law allows .
I could take deer in my yard and be a poacher , but that ain't me .
I buy my license , go to the deercamp a hundred and fifty miles away and follow the rules the best I can , sometimes I get one , sometimes I don't , that's something called sportsmanship .
All in all , if the D.N.R . want's to increase outdoor activity they have got to make it a littlle bit easier for people to partake in outdoor recreation .
What was the stupid bill in the house this year ? Oh yea, feed a seagull and get kicked out of the state park .
come on , can it get much more ridiculos than that ?
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Uh , Don't you think that the D.N.R. is thinking that about average Joes wallet ?
I don't know about how the government operates , but in the real world of average joe citicen , If you don't have enough money to live off of , ya either get a second or third job or do without .
Hell my pockets only go soo deep and then there's nothing left .
Now as far as the price , Don't get me started !
Now if we put the same D.N.R. mathamatics involved in raising the states minimum wage a burger flipper at Mc Donnalds would be raking in about $20.00 an hour by 2006 , whoops , that didn't happen did it [crazy]?
I was making $7.50 back in 71' , My wages are under the "inflation rate" currently charged for a deer license ($15.00 ) . $36.06 ? , who's income is this based on ?
The state has gotta quit basing everyones income on the big 3s wage scale , not everyone that works belongs to a union !
I loved looking in the paper a couple years back when jenny sold off a couple hundred acers of hunting land on the west side of the state to a company from Japan for , correct me if I'm wrong , a buck and no property taxes !
Then I see her in this weeks paper schmoosing some China dude auto maker . I'm thinking , what kinda deal is gonna happen now .
We had and have several metropolitan areas that already have suport systems in place to get a major mfg. operation going , why not utilise them ?
I could kick myself in the butt for saying this but ,Why not do more for the automakers we already have ? (I don't come close to those kind of wages ).
Now you take that land jenny gave away , devide it up into 10 acre plots and raffle them off at $20.00 a ticket and I betcha you would make a cool million a plot and more than that in real estate taxes every year after .
When a failing state campground can be managed by a private party and show a profit in the first year , what does that tell ya ?
It tells me someone has been mismanaging things for awhile and someone else knows that taking care of those who use the area will bring back old and new business .
Our problem is were dealing with a government agency that only knows two things to make money , raise the rates and add a few more taxes .
Ya' want more people fishing , hunting and camping ? cater to your coustomer base , it's how all sucessfull business run .
[size 1]You two should add up all the money that you spend in a given year on fishing and hunting supplies and equipment, gas for driving to your destination or for your boat, beer or whatever else encompases you outings and then compare that to the price of your licences.[/size]
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[size 1]If we deducted all the federal and state taxes imposed on these items then hell , I wouldn't be opposed to paying more , ya' gotta realise , Michigan's taxes on these items are higher than the taxes paid on them in other states .[/size]
[size 1]Do they have as much to manage as us?[/size]
[size 1][/size]
[size 1]supply and demand , thats why diamonds are so expensive .[/size]
My gosh bud , I don't want ya thinking I'm anti- D.N.R. , cause I'm not . I think we have a pretty good bunch of them here in our state .
The thing is , years of let's make this a law and lets make that a law has piled up and ruined it for the simple pastimes that used to be enjoyed by states population . They wrecked it for a lot of guys by making it too hard for them and now they want the rest of us to pay for there mistakes .
I don't go hunting and fishing with the " I gotta limit out " attitude .
I steelhead and salmon fish whenever possible , combined I maybe keep 3 a year to eat . If I feel like a regular fish dinner , I get enough for a meal or two at one of the local lakes .
Venison , I don't fill every tag every year but I try my best to . I have a dosen or so tags that I never got a chance to fill but i would have liked to .
Maybe your used to hunting and fishing as a hobby .
Me , I never harvest more fish than is needed , and don't take half as much as the law allows .
I could take deer in my yard and be a poacher , but that ain't me .
I buy my license , go to the deercamp a hundred and fifty miles away and follow the rules the best I can , sometimes I get one , sometimes I don't , that's something called sportsmanship .
All in all , if the D.N.R . want's to increase outdoor activity they have got to make it a littlle bit easier for people to partake in outdoor recreation .
What was the stupid bill in the house this year ? Oh yea, feed a seagull and get kicked out of the state park .
come on , can it get much more ridiculos than that ?
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