09-30-2006, 12:25 AM
O.K. , lets start picking this bill apart piece by piece .
I'm guessing we may be sitting on two sides of the fence on some of it's issues , but what the heck , we've disagreed and agreed on things before and were still pals .
First , I'll get to the meat and taters of the subject .
[size 1]Road ends are places where roadways dead end at the banks of a lake or stream. Most road ends were created more than a century ago to provide public access to lakes, rivers and streams, but where intended only to be used for entering and exiting a body of water.[/size]
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[size 1]O.K. , on this one , here's where I stand . These road ends were aquired by the D.N.R. I belive from moneys recived from our fishing license fees , or they have been state property since day one . The rest of the land surrounding the lakes , sold off and devided into smaller lots , whatever , the road ends land was and continues to be State Land for use of the citicens of Michigan as an acess to Michigan Waters .[/size]
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Under House Bill (HB) 6418, which would amend the state's Natural Resources and Environmental Protection Act, local municipal governments would be allowed to apply to the state for the construction of seasonal docks at road ends where there is public access to an inland lake or stream.[/size]
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[size 1]Here's where I have a major problem with it mostley from my personal experiances with citys , townships and associations taking controll of an Public Acess Site .[/size]
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[size 1]The D.N.R. gave the "free"public launch site to the City of Ecorse . The first improvement the city made was a 10 foot tall fence with a locking gate around the launch's lot . The second thing that was done , launch fees .[/size]
[size 1]We had to wait untill it opened to use the launch , most fishermen go out at or before dawn , 9 A.M. was when the city employees started there job and when the gate usually opened .[/size]
[size 1]Garbage at the site became a problem as it started to pile up behind the gates . Trash pick-up starts around 6 A.M. , trash couldn't be placed out onto the street before 9 P.M. the day before pick-up ( city ordinance ) the launch was closed , gates locked , no refuse pick-ups could be made .[/size]
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[size 1]The city then closed the launch because of the trash and the public rest room at the site , due to city codes , urban blight , no running water , sewer or lights in the building or on the property .[/size]
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[size 1]The city recived a grant to put in a modern bathroom , yes , water,sewer and electric . One other thing that was done , a huge sign ," This launch was made possible from fishermans lisence fees" . The launch briefly reopened .[/size]
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[size 1]The D.N.R. grant did not cover insurance on the building , manditory for a municiple structure . The launch site was closed AGAIN .[/size]
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[size 1]The city then leased the property to a wanna-be business man who did a piss poor job of running it , the city knew he couldn't handle the operation .[/size]
[size 1]The launch only opened when the guy showed up , working a regular job , that wasen't often .[/size]
[size 1]As you can guess , disrepair and deplorible conditions overtook the site , city ordinance , condem the property .[/size]
[size 1]Condemed property sells real cheap , especially to someone who is elected to the citys government .[/size]
[size 1]Reopened , under new management with a new owner , mind you this was public property just a few years earlier . You had to pay to launch , pay to park , and you had to do it within certin hours .[/size]
[size 1]The sign " Built with moneys from fisherman" remains , and we couldn't use it to go fishing . we had to go to Wyndotte to launch or head down to Monroe or Trenton to launch . To this day , I see that sign and I'de like to make someone eat it .[/size]
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[size 1]The same thing happened in Belleville . Fishermen had to resort to launching their boats in the swampey end of the lake , push it in ,pull it out .[/size]
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[size 1]The same thing happened here in Gladwin in Sugar Springs. Sugar springs has an lake association, The lake is a man made lake , made by digging out the lake where a trout stream once flowed . It had D.N.R. launch , given or sold to the association . We the people of Michigan still stock this lake , we now have to pay to use the launch facility , first with cash , then by having to remove paper stickers from the drivers side of the windsheild that say ," you are not a member ".[/size]
[size 1]However Sugar Springs does have a second D.N.R. launch site , it's on a steep bank on the side of a road that has no parking signs , figure out how to launch a boat there leagily and i'll give you a "atta' boy" and a pat on the back .[/size]
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[size 1]Remember a couple years ago while I was at the D.N.R. launch site at Wiggins Lake and an lake association member thru a dead skunk in my jeep , just because I was fishing there ? I parked and fished from shore , nothing more than that .The mentality that because he pays higher taxes for lake front property does not give him any more or less rights than I do to enjoy myself on Michigan waters , he's just paying the taxes for the land that he lives on .[/size]
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[size 1]No , from my expearance I don't think any good can come from "giving or selling away " controll of our public launch sites .[/size]
[size 1]I think since they are public domain , designed for public acess to Michigan Waters for all Michigan residents that they remain State of Michigan Property . [/size]
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[size 1]Lake association property owners are paying for the land that adjoins the lake , not the lake itself . The lake belongs to the People of the State of Michigan . If they want to pay higher taxes for there land , so be it , pay the high taxes for that land .[/size]
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[size 1]Without this our lakes are doomed to become private property affordable only to the wealthy .[/size]
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I'm guessing we may be sitting on two sides of the fence on some of it's issues , but what the heck , we've disagreed and agreed on things before and were still pals .
First , I'll get to the meat and taters of the subject .
[size 1]Road ends are places where roadways dead end at the banks of a lake or stream. Most road ends were created more than a century ago to provide public access to lakes, rivers and streams, but where intended only to be used for entering and exiting a body of water.[/size]
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[size 1]O.K. , on this one , here's where I stand . These road ends were aquired by the D.N.R. I belive from moneys recived from our fishing license fees , or they have been state property since day one . The rest of the land surrounding the lakes , sold off and devided into smaller lots , whatever , the road ends land was and continues to be State Land for use of the citicens of Michigan as an acess to Michigan Waters .[/size]
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Under House Bill (HB) 6418, which would amend the state's Natural Resources and Environmental Protection Act, local municipal governments would be allowed to apply to the state for the construction of seasonal docks at road ends where there is public access to an inland lake or stream.[/size]
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[size 1]Here's where I have a major problem with it mostley from my personal experiances with citys , townships and associations taking controll of an Public Acess Site .[/size]
[size 1][/size]
[size 1]The D.N.R. gave the "free"public launch site to the City of Ecorse . The first improvement the city made was a 10 foot tall fence with a locking gate around the launch's lot . The second thing that was done , launch fees .[/size]
[size 1]We had to wait untill it opened to use the launch , most fishermen go out at or before dawn , 9 A.M. was when the city employees started there job and when the gate usually opened .[/size]
[size 1]Garbage at the site became a problem as it started to pile up behind the gates . Trash pick-up starts around 6 A.M. , trash couldn't be placed out onto the street before 9 P.M. the day before pick-up ( city ordinance ) the launch was closed , gates locked , no refuse pick-ups could be made .[/size]
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[size 1]The city then closed the launch because of the trash and the public rest room at the site , due to city codes , urban blight , no running water , sewer or lights in the building or on the property .[/size]
[size 1][/size]
[size 1]The city recived a grant to put in a modern bathroom , yes , water,sewer and electric . One other thing that was done , a huge sign ," This launch was made possible from fishermans lisence fees" . The launch briefly reopened .[/size]
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[size 1]The D.N.R. grant did not cover insurance on the building , manditory for a municiple structure . The launch site was closed AGAIN .[/size]
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[size 1]The city then leased the property to a wanna-be business man who did a piss poor job of running it , the city knew he couldn't handle the operation .[/size]
[size 1]The launch only opened when the guy showed up , working a regular job , that wasen't often .[/size]
[size 1]As you can guess , disrepair and deplorible conditions overtook the site , city ordinance , condem the property .[/size]
[size 1]Condemed property sells real cheap , especially to someone who is elected to the citys government .[/size]
[size 1]Reopened , under new management with a new owner , mind you this was public property just a few years earlier . You had to pay to launch , pay to park , and you had to do it within certin hours .[/size]
[size 1]The sign " Built with moneys from fisherman" remains , and we couldn't use it to go fishing . we had to go to Wyndotte to launch or head down to Monroe or Trenton to launch . To this day , I see that sign and I'de like to make someone eat it .[/size]
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[size 1]The same thing happened in Belleville . Fishermen had to resort to launching their boats in the swampey end of the lake , push it in ,pull it out .[/size]
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[size 1]The same thing happened here in Gladwin in Sugar Springs. Sugar springs has an lake association, The lake is a man made lake , made by digging out the lake where a trout stream once flowed . It had D.N.R. launch , given or sold to the association . We the people of Michigan still stock this lake , we now have to pay to use the launch facility , first with cash , then by having to remove paper stickers from the drivers side of the windsheild that say ," you are not a member ".[/size]
[size 1]However Sugar Springs does have a second D.N.R. launch site , it's on a steep bank on the side of a road that has no parking signs , figure out how to launch a boat there leagily and i'll give you a "atta' boy" and a pat on the back .[/size]
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[size 1]Remember a couple years ago while I was at the D.N.R. launch site at Wiggins Lake and an lake association member thru a dead skunk in my jeep , just because I was fishing there ? I parked and fished from shore , nothing more than that .The mentality that because he pays higher taxes for lake front property does not give him any more or less rights than I do to enjoy myself on Michigan waters , he's just paying the taxes for the land that he lives on .[/size]
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[size 1]No , from my expearance I don't think any good can come from "giving or selling away " controll of our public launch sites .[/size]
[size 1]I think since they are public domain , designed for public acess to Michigan Waters for all Michigan residents that they remain State of Michigan Property . [/size]
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[size 1]Lake association property owners are paying for the land that adjoins the lake , not the lake itself . The lake belongs to the People of the State of Michigan . If they want to pay higher taxes for there land , so be it , pay the high taxes for that land .[/size]
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[size 1]Without this our lakes are doomed to become private property affordable only to the wealthy .[/size]
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