09-18-2006, 02:41 AM
From a high jacked thread about tying thread I copied this.
Fly Goddess posted the following after I mumbled stuff about leaving hooks in fish. Plus I stated that river fish were smaller than lake fish.
[size 1]Ask the DNR
Q. In its statements on catch-and-release, the DNR says it's better to leave a deeply im-bedded hook in a fish's mouth and cut the line than to rip the hook out. The hook will supposedly dissolve. But how do biologists know this? en
A. There is no existing scientific research on the topic, but DNR fisheries biologists have observed fish surviving with hooks in various stages of "being dissolved" in their bodies. And many anglers have caught fish with a partially dissolved hook in its gut.
Many variables determine how fast the hook will dissolve, and if the fish will survive at all. These include hook location (throat, stomach, mouth, etc.), hook size, fish size, temperature (most reactions occur faster at higher temperatures, so a hook would probably dissolve faster in the summer than in the winter). A hook in the mouth may dissolve, but it could also work loose and fall out. A hook in the mouth might hamper feeding behavior, but only temporarily.
A hook in the gill, however, will almost always prove fatal because it interrupts the respiratory process before it gets a chance to dissolve. Hooks in the stomach will nearly always dissolve, if internal organs have not received life-threatening damage from the hook (such as during a fight between fish and angler).
How long does it take for a hook to dissolve? Again there are lots of variables, such as hook size and fish size. DNR fisheries biologists estimate that it would take roughly two to three weeks for an ?average? hook to be dissolved by the ?average? fish?without too much indigestion.
[/size][font "Comic Sans MS"][black][size 3]That is what I found. Now 28 to 32 is nothing. As far as abscessed, no clue, have never heard or seen it to be a problem.[/size][/black][/font][size 1]
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[/size][font "Comic Sans MS"][black][size 3]Now as far as fish in rivers being smaller, I think it is more location. There are MONSTERS in the lower not to mention the 28" brown I caught in the Madison.[/size][/black][/font][size 1]
[/size][font "Comic Sans MS"][black][size 3]I practice safe catch and release religiously, which means: wet your hands before even touching the fish, keep it in the water or very quick on the out take. Revive the fish totally (which can be quick or very slow, the 20 minutes I talked about was a quick land, but maybe temp, age and overall health of the fish required the full revival) and avoid gills at all cost. Even in the picture of the 34" might look like I am gilling her, my fingers are bent and cradled the jaw.[/size][/black][/font][size 1]
[/size][font "Comic Sans MS"][black][size 3]Fishing is a blood sport, like it or not. Anytime you HOOK a fish you have effected it's life span. You can do all the right things to ensure the LEAST amount of damage, but no guarantees.[/size][/black][/font][size 1]
[/size][font "Comic Sans MS"][black][size 3]Exceptions to the rule: THE FISH OF A LIFE TIME and got to have the pictures, knowing fully well that it is killing the fish to some degree, therefore...a blood sport.[/size][/black][/font][size 1]
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[/size][font "Comic Sans MS"][black][size 3]The private pond owner has the right idea. First off, is his pond generating oxygen into the water? Fish in the ponds, take a pounding and get caught several times in their life. By doing what he asks, they will get bigger and bigger and says that they can adapt to being caught.[/size][/black][/font][size 1]
[/size][font "Comic Sans MS"][black][size 3]The fungus appears on a lot of the big fish in the Lower Provo which gets pounded hard. Mostly see it around the fall. The fungus can also be from various things, getting hooked on a regular basis and handled is certainly one, but stress from spawning can contribute AND DIGGING FOR REDS also. Plus who knows what else.[/size][/black][/font][size 1]
[/size][font "Comic Sans MS"][black][size 3]Dude, I am digging this so much, keep going! I love reading your posts. RIGHT ON AND TIGHT LINES[/size][/black][/font][size 1]
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Fly Goddess posted the following after I mumbled stuff about leaving hooks in fish. Plus I stated that river fish were smaller than lake fish.
[size 1]Ask the DNR
Q. In its statements on catch-and-release, the DNR says it's better to leave a deeply im-bedded hook in a fish's mouth and cut the line than to rip the hook out. The hook will supposedly dissolve. But how do biologists know this? en
A. There is no existing scientific research on the topic, but DNR fisheries biologists have observed fish surviving with hooks in various stages of "being dissolved" in their bodies. And many anglers have caught fish with a partially dissolved hook in its gut.
Many variables determine how fast the hook will dissolve, and if the fish will survive at all. These include hook location (throat, stomach, mouth, etc.), hook size, fish size, temperature (most reactions occur faster at higher temperatures, so a hook would probably dissolve faster in the summer than in the winter). A hook in the mouth may dissolve, but it could also work loose and fall out. A hook in the mouth might hamper feeding behavior, but only temporarily.
A hook in the gill, however, will almost always prove fatal because it interrupts the respiratory process before it gets a chance to dissolve. Hooks in the stomach will nearly always dissolve, if internal organs have not received life-threatening damage from the hook (such as during a fight between fish and angler).
How long does it take for a hook to dissolve? Again there are lots of variables, such as hook size and fish size. DNR fisheries biologists estimate that it would take roughly two to three weeks for an ?average? hook to be dissolved by the ?average? fish?without too much indigestion.
[/size][font "Comic Sans MS"][black][size 3]That is what I found. Now 28 to 32 is nothing. As far as abscessed, no clue, have never heard or seen it to be a problem.[/size][/black][/font][size 1]
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[/size][font "Comic Sans MS"][black][size 3]Now as far as fish in rivers being smaller, I think it is more location. There are MONSTERS in the lower not to mention the 28" brown I caught in the Madison.[/size][/black][/font][size 1]
[/size][font "Comic Sans MS"][black][size 3]I practice safe catch and release religiously, which means: wet your hands before even touching the fish, keep it in the water or very quick on the out take. Revive the fish totally (which can be quick or very slow, the 20 minutes I talked about was a quick land, but maybe temp, age and overall health of the fish required the full revival) and avoid gills at all cost. Even in the picture of the 34" might look like I am gilling her, my fingers are bent and cradled the jaw.[/size][/black][/font][size 1]
[/size][font "Comic Sans MS"][black][size 3]Fishing is a blood sport, like it or not. Anytime you HOOK a fish you have effected it's life span. You can do all the right things to ensure the LEAST amount of damage, but no guarantees.[/size][/black][/font][size 1]
[/size][font "Comic Sans MS"][black][size 3]Exceptions to the rule: THE FISH OF A LIFE TIME and got to have the pictures, knowing fully well that it is killing the fish to some degree, therefore...a blood sport.[/size][/black][/font][size 1]
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[/size][font "Comic Sans MS"][black][size 3]The private pond owner has the right idea. First off, is his pond generating oxygen into the water? Fish in the ponds, take a pounding and get caught several times in their life. By doing what he asks, they will get bigger and bigger and says that they can adapt to being caught.[/size][/black][/font][size 1]
[/size][font "Comic Sans MS"][black][size 3]The fungus appears on a lot of the big fish in the Lower Provo which gets pounded hard. Mostly see it around the fall. The fungus can also be from various things, getting hooked on a regular basis and handled is certainly one, but stress from spawning can contribute AND DIGGING FOR REDS also. Plus who knows what else.[/size][/black][/font][size 1]
[/size][font "Comic Sans MS"][black][size 3]Dude, I am digging this so much, keep going! I love reading your posts. RIGHT ON AND TIGHT LINES[/size][/black][/font][size 1]
[/size][font "Comic Sans MS"][black][size 3]FG[/size][/black][/font][size 1] [/size]
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