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Ethanol free fuel-Ut. Valley - PACMEN - 05-26-2016
Do any of you guys know where they sell ethanol free fuel in southern Ut. County.
I have been unable to find a place.
I like to fill up on the way home as we live 21 miles from the nearest gas station. It is nice to be ready to go and it reduces the amount of condensation in the 2 stoke tank. 2 strokes and water are not friends.
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Re: [PACMEN] Ethanol free fuel-Ut. Valley - RockyRaab - 05-26-2016
Maybe this will help...
http://www.pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=UT
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Re: [RockyRaab] Ethanol free fuel-Ut. Valley - PACMEN - 05-26-2016
Good site I book marked it so I can find it again.
Thanks
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Re: [PACMEN] Ethanol free fuel-Ut. Valley - dubob - 05-30-2016
[font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]It's your boat and your money, but I've been running regular gas with Seafoam or Startron thru my 2005 Optimax 75 since new. The motor still runs today like it did in 2005 and has about 800 hours on it. Never could figure out why folks insist that regular fuel (with ethanol) will destroy the boat/motor. I have a friend with a Ranger/high performance Yamaha 250 (80 mph) engine that also has been running it with regular gas for at least 10 years with nary a problem. If it's good enough for Mercury (nowhere do they say to not use ethanol), it's good enough for me. But like I said, its your boat and your money - go for it.[/#800000][/font]
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Re: [dubob] Ethanol free fuel-Ut. Valley - wiperhunter2 - 05-30-2016
Bob, I've had just the opposite reaction in my boat while using gas with ethanol. I use Seafoam and granted my boat is two year older than yours but my motor was spitting and shuddering when I got it and knowing that getting water in my gas could cause this problem, I started using Ethanol free gas and the problem went away. I did do some reading about this problem and it appears that those boats that have metal gas tanks have a much bigger problem with this issue than those with plastic tanks. I have no idea what kind of tank I have in my boat but because it is such a problem for my motor, I'm guessing it is metal. You can look it up on the web, lots of boats have this problem and some of them have had to spend hundreds, even thousands to fix problem this issue causes when they have let it go on for too long. For the low cost of using Ethanol free gas, it is money well spent, IMO.
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Re: [wiperhunter2] Ethanol free fuel-Ut. Valley - dubob - 05-30-2016
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[font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]Do yourself a favor and check out Startron and what it does for your fuel, your tank, and your motor.[/#800000][/font]
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Re: [dubob] Ethanol free fuel-Ut. Valley - wiperhunter2 - 05-30-2016
I actually did check it out a few years back, when I had that issue, it is way cheaper to use Ethanol free gas, especially since I already use Seafoam.
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Re: [wiperhunter2] Ethanol free fuel-Ut. Valley - dtayboyz - 05-30-2016
Regardless what fuel you use, always use a stabilizer. I like stabil marine. The alcohol destroys rubber i.e. Fuel lines and carb seals. The water then puddles up in the bottom of your fuel tank and is the real culprit, everything is great til you suck up a cup of water on plane. Anything in your fuel effects the fuel to air mixture and can cause engine damage. Fuel today is nasty crap.
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Re: [wiperhunter2] Ethanol free fuel-Ut. Valley - dubob - 05-30-2016
[font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]Stop using Seafoam and start using Startron. It's a better product. Cost wise, I don't see your point. Using Startron will increase your cost of fuel by $0.11/gal (1 oz treats 8 gal of fuel). Using Seafoam, your increase in fuel cost will be about $1.60/gal (1 oz treats 1 gal of fuel). And from what I can tell, ethanol free gas costs more than ethanol gas to begin with. So using Startron in ethanol gas will save you a bunch of money over a years time. Sounds like a win-win to me! [cool][/#800000][/font]
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Re: [dubob] Ethanol free fuel-Ut. Valley - wiperhunter2 - 05-31-2016
Maybe I'll give it a try after I finish using the Seafoam I have. Do you buy Startron by the gallon and how much does it cost? From your first comment, I thought you were saying to use Seafoam and Startron, thats why I said it was cheaper to use just Seafoam and Ethanol free fuel. I'll have to check the price difference on Ethanol free fuel vs Ethanol fuel but Ethanol free fuel is higher octane(88), I use to use 87 octane.
What octane do you use in your motor?
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Re: [wiperhunter2] Ethanol free fuel-Ut. Valley - fish_hntr - 05-31-2016
As I stated in the sticky in the boats/motors section, I will only run ethanol free in my boats and yard equipment, there is nothing anyone can say to change that no matter how much you "think" you are "saving" by using some additive.
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Re: [fish_hntr] Ethanol free fuel-Ut. Valley - dubob - 05-31-2016
[quote fish_hntr]As I stated in the sticky in the boats/motors section, I will only run ethanol free in my boats and yard equipment, there is nothing anyone can say to change that no matter how much you "think" you are "saving" by using some additive.[/quote][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]And you have every right to do so and the freedom to do it as well. Is this a great country or what? Global warming, Al Gore invented the Internet, and ethanol gas is bad for everything are all one in the same to me - hogwash. But I support whatever choice you make that will make you happy and content.[/#800000][/font]
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Re: [wiperhunter2] Ethanol free fuel-Ut. Valley - dubob - 05-31-2016
[quote wiperhunter2]Maybe I'll give it a try after I finish using the Seafoam I have. Do you buy Startron by the gallon and how much does it cost? From your first comment, I thought you were saying to use Seafoam and Startron, thats why I said it was cheaper to use just Seafoam and Ethanol free fuel. I'll have to check the price difference on Ethanol free fuel vs Ethanol fuel but Ethanol free fuel is higher octane(88), I use to use 87 octane.
What octane do you use in your motor?[/quote][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]I buy the 16 oz bottle which treats 128 gal. Lasts me a whole year. It's about $12 to $14 a 16 oz bottle depending on where you buy it.[/#800000][/font]
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Re: [dubob] Ethanol free fuel-Ut. Valley - PACMEN - 06-01-2016
Have a friend who just picked up a boat a month ago. Has a rebuilt engine 225 hp. opti. in it with one hr. on it.
The reason for the rebuild. The rebuild mech. said fuel line had rubber stripped due to running ethanol fuel. This rubber then almost totally plugged the fuel filter, causing the motor to run extreme lean at full throttle. Owner had been running non ethanol free fuel.
True cause or not I don't know but the rebuild cost over 10 grand.
2007 boat.
Consumer reports has been recommending using ethanol free in all small engines for years now. I think this is due to it eating up the rubber components. I have seen nothing from them about boat motors however.
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Re: [dubob] Ethanol free fuel-Ut. Valley - SBennett - 06-01-2016
Dude,
If you truly believe ethanol fuel is not bad for your outboard, quit adding your precious Startron in with it and then come back on here in 6 months and let's talk.
Deal or no deal?
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Re: [dubob] Ethanol free fuel-Ut. Valley - Quicky - 06-01-2016
I agree with your first two statements about anthroplogical global warming and dear Al's interweb. Complete hogwash.
Ethanol fuel, on the other hand, is not friendly with small engines or engines not designed for it. Ethanol being an alcohol is hydrophillic, meaning it attracts water. Alcohol (ethanol) also affects rubber not designed to handle it. I have had numerous small engines get corrosion in the tiny metering orifices in the carb due to the water in the ethanol fuel. This is first hand experience based, not something I got off Al's interweb. I used to design and build unmanned aircraft with small gas engines and all of them did poorly on ethanol gas. Additives that negate the effects of ethanol are the best prevention if no ethanol free fuel is available. Filling up your boat tank full before storing it reduces the volume inside where condensation can collect too. Lots of good preventative maintenance measures one can take to keep your investments going strong.
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Re: [SBennett] Ethanol free fuel-Ut. Valley - dubob - 06-01-2016
[quote SBennett]Dude,
If you truly believe ethanol fuel is not bad for your outboard, quit adding your precious Startron in with it and then come back on here in 6 months and let's talk.
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[font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]I ran my 2005 Mercury 75 Optimax for the first seven years on nothing but ethanol. Stored it in the winter months with a full tank of fuel treated with Sta-Bil. I never added anything during actual use for fishing until three years ago after talking with Lees Narine in Hyrum who recommended the Startron as a good all around maintenance function for the entire fuel system. Problems with the motor have always been zero, zip, nada.[/#800000][/font]
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[font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]I didn't use anything but ethanol fuel in any small engine equipment (lawn mowers, weed whackers, snow blowers, leaf blowers, etc.) until about 4 years ago when I started adding Seafoam to all my gas containers every time I fill them so that I don't have to ever worry about long term storage of the equipment or the fuel.[/#800000][/font]
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[font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]All y'all can believe what you want to about ethanol. Based on my own experience, I ain't buying it. Mercury told me when I bought the engine in 2005 that ethanol was NOT a problem in their engines and after 11 years of nothing but ethanol and no problems (with and without additives), I have to say they knew what they were talking about.[/#800000][/font]
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Re: [dubob] Ethanol free fuel-Ut. Valley - SBennett - 06-01-2016
I run a similiar motor to yours and have not had a problem either, but I run additives.
I also have no problem with Startron, my problem is with the ethanol fuel.
As consumers, we are getting screwed by ethanol if for no other reason ethanol has less btu's than gasoline. We are all missing out on horsepower AND better fuel mileage.
You are most likely not experiencing problems with your outboard if you are cycling fuel through your system quicker than most?
Mercury builds their fuel system to handle up to a 10% ethanol blend, IF the fuel is cycled out and replaced with fresh ethanol in a 30 day time frame.
Thats why we don't see similiar problems with automobiles.
As for your lawn equipment, you have been a very lucky man to have not had ethanol wreak havoc on those small fuel systems.
I pity all of us if the Feds mandate a 15% or greater ethanol blend.
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Re: [SBennett] Ethanol free fuel-Ut. Valley - fish_hntr - 06-01-2016
[quote SBennett]Dude,
If you truly believe ethanol fuel is not bad for your outboard, quit adding your precious Startron in with it and then come back on here in 6 months and let's talk.
Deal or no deal?[/quote]
Ever since I made the switch to pure gas about 4 years ago I don't even winterize my machines anymore, and every spring the engines start on the first or second pull without issue, I'm just thankful that we have a few pumps around that still carry it. Though I will say that when I initially filled up the 80 gallon tank last year after buying the boat it was a bit tough to swallow when ethanol-free was around $3.09 per gallon.
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Re: [fish_hntr] Ethanol free fuel-Ut. Valley - SBennett - 06-01-2016
I love pure gas and run it in everything before tucking it in for winter. I get mine here on the border of Saratoga Springs and Lehi.
I wish it was one more octane but I have never had anything pre-detonate with 88 so I just keep going with it.
Some engines actually will run worse over time with a high octane fuel.
You have done yourself a favor by paying a bit more upfront for pure gas.
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